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"my only gripe is that the mouse is sometimes slow to start up after sleeping for a period"

"with various surfaces or even a grainy gaming style mousepad it has noticeable issues to pick up and a stutter is the consequence"

"the only issue is being female i have a smaller hand medium for a female!"

"i bought this as a replacement for a more expensive conventional wireless mouse that had started to misbehave"

"wana try an ergonomic mouse start with a cheap one using g305 before almost forget how normal mouse feels it is fine for normal usage but after using light speed sensor for such a long time the sensor on this mouse feels like absolute rubbish but you kinda expecting such things on a cheap product so overall it's fine not going to use it for gaming for sure"

"the only problem is when moving from typing i keep knocking the mouse off my desk due to it being higher but sure this will change once i get use to it"

"ultimately it was a cheap mouse and i got what i paid for"

"with the standard 2 buttons a scroll wheel and 2 side buttons for navigation it is no different to a standard mouse just a lot more comfortable as it conforms to the natural resting position of the wrist so makes useage much more bearable"

"my colleagues on trying the mouse identified the exact same problem without prompting"

"the only negative is that i haven't found a driver that allows me to program the various buttons"

"i had this mouse for a few months and it stopped working"

"nothing wrong with it other reviews say that you have to give it some time"

"after i have tried for a week adjust hand and arm position i found that it is extremely disappointed because 1"

"it is especially annoying that i am unable to get a refund on this now"

"i use pc extensively at work daily use is more than 10 hours on average can get quite tiring for the wrist"

"this is quite annoying as i regularly use this for work as i use cad software"

"however increased time on the computer had started to cause some issues with neck pain i solved this by buying a kensington riser stand for the screen height very good and a lot of pain in my arm elbow"

"very disappointed been a big time anker fan and have several other products from them"

"it is highly inaccurate and extremely jerky and uncontrollable in use"

"i actually find this mouse more tiring than a standard mouse"

"add to that the fact that you can't change the button assignments of the back & forward buttons and it was just no good for me"

"2 years after purchasing it got really annoying so i thought how i could fix it"

"it jumps around is is very inaccurate"

"i have a fairly average sized man's hand and although the mouse fell well to hand my thumb frequently hit the back button leaving me somewhere else entirely which got very confusing"

"it's not for long and if you're not using it for gaming or sensitive work it'll be fine but otherwise it's near worthless"

"so the pros first: + the upright position definitely feels more natural and less straining + it's big enough so my pinkie doesn't feel squashed out alone it rests together with all my other fingers + seems well built works straight out of the box didn't have to install any crapware and the cons: i tend to stiffen my thumb when i left click which is somewhat tiring but not a huge problem"

"that's deeply annoying"

"the rotation and material is nice the thin buttons that force your fingers either into a cleanched "beak" or something where you little finger is splayed out ina really uncomfortable postion depending on whether or not you want to use the right button with your middle or ring finger are absolutely terrible"

"worst mouse i have ever used and i've used some really rubbish ones"

"recently my right arm had become really sore and my doctor advised me that i had probably strained my tendons"

"also the high ridge that falls under the bottom of the forefinger digs in a bit and i've developed a weird bump there now"

"my colleagues on trying the mouse identified the exact same problem without prompting"

"its a pretty poor mouse "

"first one packed up after half an hour middle button stopped working then the rmb became intermittent "

"i can work 12 14h a day without any strain in my hand while previously i struggled after 8h"

"a product with potential that is let down by design issues and poor hardware"

"some reviews mention that it's light feels cheap and tends to fall over"

"the only slight gripe is that the button presses l r & scroll wheel are a little firm for my liking but it's something i'm sure i'll get used to"

"the rotation and material is nice the thin buttons that force your fingers either into a cleanched "beak" or something where you little finger is splayed out ina really uncomfortable postion depending on whether or not you want to use the right button with your middle or ring finger are absolutely terrible"

"worst mouse i have ever used and i've used some really rubbish ones"

"fresh batteries etc don't make a difference it just has intemittent connection issues which is really really bad for a mouse"

"on day 4 that has become unbearable"

"i even bought a corsair mouse mat to give it a proper surface to track which improved things somewhat but it's still horrible inconsistent"

"it fell out a bunch of times then once in an airport lounge i couldn't find the dongle and so my mouse was worthless"

"if you have a phone with hot spot active or a bluetooth speaker anywhere near the mouse doesnt work properly"

"unfortunately after a few weeks i realized that it was causing me problems in other areas"

"had an evoluent vertical mouse it died far too quickly for its price and this was an alternative replacement"

"but using my normal mx master mouse was becoming increasingly painful"

"my apple mouse was killing me and i changed to a larger mouse which helped but after a while the pain got worse"

"i had got to the point where i was crying on the drive home thinking i would have to leave a job i loved because i was losing feeling in my hand"

"4ghz wifi worked fine for a while then started lagging again and i've no idea what could be the cause"

"my wrist never hurts anymore since i started using this mouse but it's not very reliable: sometimes it like loses connection and the pointer does not move when i move the mouse or it moves intermittently and now after less than 2 years of use no gaming the left click button is already broken"

"not only that but the scroller wheel degraded in only 4 months and it gradually stops to work which seems to be mechanical issue"

"anyway it is a mouse but that's it it make my arm feel worse!"

"i use a black mouse pad and on this surface it performs badly!"

"i wish the led had different colours for different resolutions but this is a small issue"

"plus my hand slides down the mouse making it more difficult to reach the buttons"

"4ghz band and is randomly inaccurate and unstable"

"after a while the load on this smaller surface area was causing more pain than a normal mouse"

"it won't cause problem when you hold the mouse horizontally since your index and middle fingers can position "v" shape easily"

"having said that the re positioning of my wrist with this mouse has reduced the pain in my wrist from my torn tendon and i use this 8 hours a day 5 days a week"

"this gets tiresome causes fatigue in my hand after a short period and i imagine will cause additional strain in time defeating the purpose of buying such a mouse in the first place"

"i have replaced the batteries twice but it has become very unresponsive which is highly frustrating for video editing work"

"not concentrate first but the real reason i sent it back was that the mouse pointer kept stuttering and slowing down for no reason"

"i was beginning to find that using my apple magic mouse was causing aches in wrist and forearm"

"there is definitely less noticeable strain on the muscles in my forearm that are causing the problem"

"it feels cheaply made and doesn't come with the required 2 x aa batteries which is irritating"

"i bought this to address an rsi issue i was having with both conventional mice and roller ball types mainly because i have long fingers and many devices are just too cramped for me"

"i have noticed less strain on hand and wrist compared to conventional designs"

"the problem with my new mouse is that it's heavy laggy and has a broken scroll wheel after two three months"

"after two years however and numerous falls it glitched so badly i couldn't use it anymore"

"i was initially wary of the change of hand position but my fears have proved unfounded as even after prolonged use the wrist issue has improved considerably and the more upright position for my hand is feeling more 'normal'"

"i have knocked it over a couple of times when reaching for it but that's just user error and after 3 days is happening less often"

"no batteries included"

"apparently hot spot bluetooth speakers keyboard cause stuttering which makes it unusable in my case i will be refunding for a better quality mouse"

"since using this mouse i have had no more aches pains or swollen joints fingers"

"very light almost too light good grip no need to install any drivers"

"so for a high quality attractive economic mouse it is unfortunately flawed"

"this is ideal in shape for prolonged use but it seems to have a problem in that it freezes which is likely to be a connectivity problem"

"the anker has it in front of the backwards button and above the thumb which makes it hard to press without lifting you thumb from the mouse so you don't press the backwards instead "

"then you have to click to activate it just moving it doesn't work"

"but it still not good enough for my daily use and it is still causing me more pain than a regular mouse"

"but the fact that it is very uncomfy for your thumb and the fact that the "receiver" usb thing that plugs into the laptop broke while inside it minding its own business but having a need to swap the mouse over to my desktop computer i was shocked to see that it came in apart in two smaller pieces"

"i should of bought one of these a long time ago i work with software and have to be sat at a computer for 8+ hours a day pretty much so sometimes i would get painful numbness and nerve pains in my hand"

"even if you curl your small finger back out the way a little which naturally revolves your arm and wrist a little back in to the direction this mouse is actively trying to stop you from doing the width of the right button just means you either have to scrunch your hand up again to use the scroll wheel with your middle finger or have it over an a rigid area of plastic next to the tiny right button"

"i also found that having to click the mouse to get it to wake up started to become annoying there is no indication whether it's awake or asleep until you try and use it"

"it feels laggy too like there is a slight delay"

"* poor wireless connectivity experienced extreme stuttering at distance 1m w some obstruction between mouse & connector "

"let's face it you don't buy one of these unless you're in the unfortunate position to need one"

"the mouse really needs to be textured rather than smooth to avoid this"

"which might cause inflammation unpainful"

"however after 3 weeks of use the scroll wheel worked intermittently and then failed"

"back and forward buttons are pretty much useless where they are you have to twist your thumb to reach them and feel too high again"

"it tracks well has no connection problems and comes awake quickly after pressing any button it goes into sleep mode to not drain the battery "

"started using it in march and here we are 1 month later broken!"

"having never used a mouse this way before i’m having to retain myself but it was a quick transition and all seems to be very well made solid and comfortable"

"it took a little bit of time to get used to but now an ordinary mouse feels awkward"

"clicking the mouse needs a firm click and the click is not a soft click but slightly more clunky all in all i wouldn't use it it's too thin for my grip "

"other problems: the scroll wheel is really shallow and doesn't scroll comfortably the forward back buttons are located in an awkward position and again shallow so they are hard to press"

"however in order to use the mouse i have to grip it really tight"

"poorly positioned forward and back buttons are something that can be ignored but the left button also 'misses' frequently despite hearing a heart click from the mouse itself"

"this is an upgrade from a wired vertical mouse from a different brand which had started peeling"

"unfortuntately it is useless on mac mini losing connection sluggish and unresponsive"

"it is much more comfortable to hold and relieves pain in the wrist and forearm tendonitis but although you can swing it left and right easily going up and down the screen means you have to move your whole arm from the shoulder which is very imprecise and tiring in its own way"

"i bought this because i was experiencing pain in my lower arm from using a regular mac mouse"

"this means is slides about much too quickly making it harder to control"

"big time fingerprint magnet if that bothers you"

"update 12 6 19: i am returning this as wireless connectivity has become unreliable after just two days"

"after this it has developed an intermittent connection issue"

"lesser issues i have regular size hand though i'm female so probably smaller than male's hand size and i find reaching buttons kinda awkward it's designed for bigger hand simply"

"all in all i need to return this and i'm wondering how given the lockdown i'm over 70"

"holding a normal mouse or touch on a laptop for a longer duration causes pain in arm and later in the neck using this mouse helped me to get rid of the pain"

"i at first thought that i simply had to get used to the mouse but then i also started to experience pain in my shoulder and elbow which had never bothered me before"

"a personal thing not a faulty product at all"

"i have severe problems with my shoulder due to posture at the computer and mouse abuse and i found using this mouse actually does help"

"checked on various websites for best mouse for arthritis and 2 or 3 very expensive vertical mice came up i checked anker out on youtube and read all the reviews on amazon and came to the conclusion it would better to spend 11"

"*update* less than two weeks old and this mouse has completely failed"

"i must say though after a couple of weeks use i can't say i have noticed any real difference in fact i think i prefer a good sized conventional mouse over this as i am starting to feel a slight irritation at the bottom of the wrist that sits on the surface when using this mouse"

"i had "regular" mouse causing pain in my wrist"

"it jumps around is is very inaccurate"

"they said they have the highest quality control on their products but occasionally things can slip through and i may well have a faulty mouse"

"this anker mouse does no have the same wireless reach as my last one in that where i sit and move the mouse about the anker one loses signal and stops moving constantly"

"unfortunately the price point misleads you into thinking this may be an inferior product hold your horses!"

"i don't have pain in my wrist but suffer with pain in my thumb"

"i replaced the batteries bit still it wouldn't work"

"i have tried everything and cannot use it whilst it doesn't function properly"

"that is why i have now purchased the newer updated version of the other mouse in the hopes my problems are solved"

"purchased this mouse as i have large hands and most mice are rather uncomfortable"

"i bought this mouse and enjoyed using it until i had some intermittent issues with it freezing"

"i think that might just be me being clumsy though"

"oh no wait the dpi has reset to 800 mildly annoying"

"i could have my other cheaper non ergonomic mouse plugged in at the same time as the jittering anker one having no problems so it's not an os or load problem"

"i have arthritis in my thumb joint so can no longer use a 'normal' mouse for long periods as i use my thumb to manoeuvrer it putting strain on the joint and making my eyes water"

"ordered this mouse to reduce pain in my wrist"

"my right hand was becoming very painful and swollen so i had a look to see what was available that may help alleviate this problem"

"got this and a keyboard as i was getting pain in my wrists took a bit of getting used to as you hold the mouse differently from a conventional mouse also double clicking was a bit weird at first but after a few days of use it felt as natural as normal mouse"

"then it became sluggish then unresponsive then stalled froze and response was slow"

"but it has 2 buttons on the left instead of one i'm not sure how useful this is as my thumb is not that flexible"

"overall for £11 or roundabouts i shouldn't complain definitely works just needs some refinement"

"update 12 6 19: i am returning this as wireless connectivity has become unreliable after just two days"

"if there is even a slight break in line of sight from the mouse to the adaptor it stops working"

"however as i rarely need to do that it's not a major problem"

"you think you’re buying a quality anker branded product but amazon send you a poor quality chinese lookalike moulded in poor plastic and with a battery cover that doesn’t fit"

"the only blemish is the position of the back forward buttons but i'm glad they're there and not sure whether i would have put them either!"

"i have to say the previous reviews were spot on when intitially using a vertical mouse it does feel very strange but as recommended i persevered and was delighted that after 3 4 days got comfortable with how to hold it and i very rarely suffer as before as if you check out youtube you hold in a sort of hand shake position and this also helps with shoulder and wrist problems"

"after only 5 days it has been consigned to the junk drawer where it will live until i have a clear out or pass it on to some poor unsuspecting sucker"

"i usually use index finger for scrolling and can't on this as its too short will persevere but so far is simply creating alternate pain from having to grip the mouse all the time for my fingers to align with the scroll wheel and buttons"

"i have been using a trackpad for a long time so suddenly having to move my hand around and a lot because i have a large screen felt very uncomfortable"

"i bought this on a recommendation from a friend as i have very arthritic hands and the repetitive movement of my hand on an ordinary mouse caused it to become inflamed"

"wana try an ergonomic mouse start with a cheap one using g305 before almost forget how normal mouse feels it is fine for normal usage but after using light speed sensor for such a long time the sensor on this mouse feels like absolute rubbish but you kinda expecting such things on a cheap product so overall it's fine not going to use it for gaming for sure"

"it is not as comfortable as you expect the main problem is with clicking the scroll because of the angle it is verry uncomfortable to click it"

"this is a minus in aesthetics for me a fake thing that doesn't do much "buttons side" is not that well done aesthetically speaking"

"the transmitter receiver is kinda weak so i had to put the receiver in the front usb slots pc tower for reliable connection"

"the second problem with the mouse is the position of upper mouse click button left click is too far away from the bottom button"

"i had all three devices fail in this area at an alarming rate"

"a slight inconvenience at times to driving you to near psychotic moments when the thing connects and disconnects and windows announces this by the "bling" and "blong" noise when it does so"

"long story short your thumb "braces" to counter the force slightly and it starts to cause problems after a while"

"at first this has to be the most bizarre mouse to hold you have to completely rethink the way you hold and move your mouse but that last for about 5 minutes"

"i've had problems with carpal tunnel in the past which causes occasional shooting pains in my wrist and fingers"

"which is not very nice happening once in 2 3 min"

"the reason i brought this was i'm constantly holding a mouse all day and have started to get a sore wrist"

"i had also bought this mouse as all the ones i previously used caused me pain in my wrists fingers and slightly in the arm and looked for something which would stop that and i haven't had any pain ever since i began using it provided also that you have good posture and whatnot while browsing "

"it's just plain wrong and feels very uncomfortable and awkward"

"the anker has it in front of the backwards button and above the thumb which makes it hard to press without lifting you thumb from the mouse so you don't press the backwards instead "

"the only slight gripe is that the button presses l r & scroll wheel are a little firm for my liking but it's something i'm sure i'll get used to"

"when i last sat down at my desk and took hold of the mouse i ended up with a shooting pain in my elbow and realized that this simply wasn’t going to work"

"i also found that the left button was slightly stiff or perhaps it was that its positioning made it difficult to push: i always ended up with a sore index finger after working with the mouse"

"it seems a little too conveniently located for something that is likely to be used only once in a while also prepare yourself for a bit of mental stress while you learn how to use a mouse again!"

"overall since the start of using this mouse i developed more pain in my wrist and thumb the pain was the reason for buying it "

"however there appears to be a significant design flaw surprisingly unmentioned in many other reviews"

"there is definitely less noticeable strain on the muscles in my forearm that are causing the problem"

"plus my hand slides down the mouse making it more difficult to reach the buttons"

"it's not reliable"

"i suffered from pain in my elbow joint and hand wrist for over a year as i was using a mouse a lot for work doing technical drawings it was so bad at one point it was waking me at night"

"but one wrist pain was replaced by palm muscles pain"

"it starts with poor clicking responses poor movement detection and gradually gets worse and worse"

"as your hand is basically sideways it’s moves the pressure from the normal padded part of hand for a normal mouse to the boney part after a while it gets tender"

"only negative point is that i still haven't learned to lift my hand high enough when switching from the keyboard it is quite tall so sometimes i still hit it and because it is also very light normally a good thing it falls over"

"i've been using this mouse for about 7 months and since day one i've had on and off connection issues with it"

"personally i struggled to use the mouse for more than 15 minutes after having found batteries before it started to become painful"

"the rotation and material is nice the thin buttons that force your fingers either into a cleanched "beak" or something where you little finger is splayed out ina really uncomfortable postion depending on whether or not you want to use the right button with your middle or ring finger are absolutely terrible"

"i ordered this product because i picked up a repetitive strain injury using a normal desktop mouse and it's been so much better"

"update almost exactly a month since i got it and i have just lost it with this mouse i work in an extremely busy 'keyboard entry' environment and constantly moving hand from mouse to keyboard resulted in me keeping whacking it off my desk finally smashed when fell today if your profile is similar avoid any mouse like this with a tall profile!"

"it's still better than a regular mouse and the fact that it looks nice is a big plus i don't wanna have some big chunky thing at my desk attracting attention at work "

"i've dropped it once too often and now it's stopped working so i didn't hesitate to order the same model again"

"works well but to be a five star product this would need to be slightly more upright in design the angle requires your wrist and forearm to be slightly leaning over to the left which i find is not the perfect position to remove wrist and hand strain"

"it's not working"

"they get a bit of getting used to but after two days it became the norm and they are now much more comfortable than a normal flat mouse which i now find to be a bit weird and uncomfortable in my hand"

"shame anker doesn't do this in a smaller size"

"i have knocked it a few times moving from the keyboard back to the mouse but i think that this is a problem for me rather than a design problem"

"sadly its replacement the sculpt ergonomic was far too small and required me to roll my wrist around at an uncomfortable angle"

"i was initially wary of the change of hand position but my fears have proved unfounded as even after prolonged use the wrist issue has improved considerably and the more upright position for my hand is feeling more 'normal'"

"the pointer isn't quite as precise as my £50 logitech but the difference is hardly noticeable"

"this is a potential issue for any locked work devices that do not allow for dongle installations no charging possibilities"

"i'm only cropping one star because of the mousepad issue"

"this mouse is very particular and i wanted to try it but i'm afraid it's not for me"

"i really tried with this mouse but found it would cause horrendous hand pain within minutes of use and the longer i used it the worse it became"

"couple that with the fact that i don't find the vertical ergonomic shape comfortable and it means i'm pretty disappointed outside that it is a well made piece of kit looks nice and so far the battery life has been very good plus points for its auto shutdown and if you were using it on a desk i'm sure it would be great"

"if you suffer from shoulder pain i wouldn't recommend this as you move your arm a lot more"

"the only slight gripe is that the button presses l r & scroll wheel are a little firm for my liking but it's something i'm sure i'll get used to"

"my biggest issue is that whilst the rubberized finish looks nice it is too slippy!"

"it's a shame but this mouse is probably going to be the first step to buying a better vertical mouse because the stuttering thing is getting a real pain already"

"there are two main problems: 1"

"i bought this on a recommendation from a friend as i have very arthritic hands and the repetitive movement of my hand on an ordinary mouse caused it to become inflamed"

"this gets tiresome causes fatigue in my hand after a short period and i imagine will cause additional strain in time defeating the purpose of buying such a mouse in the first place"

"however it freezes and stutters and it's likely down to the loose fitting of the wireless dongle as it's not a driver issue"

"being an occassional gamer i dont really need a gaming mouse although i have had them before"

"after reading previous reviews saying that you needed time to adjust to the shape of this mouse i was expecting to have to do just that and was a little apprehensive that i'd made the right choice but i needn't have worried"

"my wrist never hurts anymore since i started using this mouse but it's not very reliable: sometimes it like loses connection and the pointer does not move when i move the mouse or it moves intermittently and now after less than 2 years of use no gaming the left click button is already broken"

"on the wrong surface especially the rougher surfaced mouse mats the cursor 'sticks' every now and again and the mouse feels draggy to move"

"just doesnt seem like my cup of tea"

"every day at the end of my shift i put the mouse in my bag and after about a month for whatever reason one of the mouse skates came off not too much of a big deal but made the mouse uneven on my desk i had to remove another skate to even it out but now it scraped a bit and wasn't as fluid on my desk"

"however it freezes and stutters and it's likely down to the loose fitting of the wireless dongle as it's not a driver issue"

"just a shame it's so darn expensive"

"i've ended up going back to using my old regular mouse which is hardly ideal"

"return window obviously closed but it should maybe have a simple warranty but maybe it has not got even that"

"but once you're used to it there's no going back"

"it is not as comfortable as you expect the main problem is with clicking the scroll because of the angle it is verry uncomfortable to click it"

"the pointer isn't quite as precise as my £50 logitech but the difference is hardly noticeable"

"the bluetooth is also a tiny bit sketchy sometimes"

"i'm not convinced that it's *quite* as accurate as my old mouse but that cost about ten times as much and be warned that if you have a high resolution mouse pad like then you may find that the cursor jumps all over the place but try the mouse without a pad or with a plain pad and you should find that it starts to behave itself"

"but when you hold the mouse vertically the index finger has to continuously move up to click the mouse button which is unconfortable and easily getting tired"

"i'm completely confused how this has so many high ratings i don't consider my hands to be abnormal in any way it's painful goin back to the keyboard typing after using this!"

"bought this as i use my mouse all day for 3 d cad modelling & get a sore forearm wrist after prolonged periods at work"

"this mouse barely works half or even a quarter of the time the cursor keeps stuttering until it stops entirely and then i have to frustratedly wiggle the mouse against different surfaces before it decides to work again"

"as the headline says i'm getting another for use at work to replace the cabled one i'm still using there but is driving me nuts "

"it did help with my wrist aches but the precision is very poor"

"though on initial use some glaring issues arrised: the mouse is really not good for people with bigger hands i found it very hard to use this for more then a little bit at a time as i was constantly having to regrip the mouse and stop my hand from getting squashed as i tried to get all my fingers resting on it most notible is my pinky finger as time went on my fingers would push against my pinky and i found it getting numb there is no room to place it"

"i forgot the pains in the hand i got from a conventional "palm down" mouse and that was the prime reason i bought this for"

"there is an on off switch on it but i honestly never use it it powers down after a few min of no use and you just need to click any button to get it going again"

"i'm going t opersist with it for a few more days"

"no shark that’s a wireless mouse by anker no cheese in this it’s a perfectly ergonomic designed wireless mouse fits perfectly in your hand right handed with the page back and forward buttons operation by your thumb and the two mouse buttons and scroll wheel operated by your first second fingers the design is great the speed and operation is perfect it’s not loud battery life from the two aaa batteries is endless another great product and i have a few from the boys and girls at anker"

"the round rubber scrolls around independently to the actual scroll wheel"

"this leads to a lot of accidental attempts to copy paste or move items rather than the desired selection"

"the main reason is that the right side of my right hand now moves over the table and friction ends up causing me more pain than using a regular "flat" mouse"

"if this is still a proiblem i might return it or i might try some sandpaper to roughen the surface up"

"i dont use the page navigation buttons since i find them awkward on every mouse i have used and i would rather not have them at all on my mouse"

"this mouse however has many issues with lag it is frustrating enough that i find myself wanting to shake it the primitive thought it might snap it back into being responsive"

"if you suffer from any type of rsi or carpel tunnel issue this is a must have"

"i have very small hands 15cm from end of palm to tip of the middle finger and this is barely barely comfortable for me"

"if i had bought this on the high street i would be down there now demanding my money back"

"i have been using apple mice since the early 90s and have been concerned now being 40+ that my wrist starts to ache after using one for more than an hour"

"not sure if it was only my product"

"just add a little bit of superglue under the rubber wheel or anything else sticky tape blue tac should work fine"

"update: following my low evaluation anker sent me another mouse for free in which the issues mentioned above are solved and it is much better for my wrist thumb problems"

"on the wrong surface especially the rougher surfaced mouse mats the cursor 'sticks' every now and again and the mouse feels draggy to move"

"while the tennis elbow pain which was quite severe hasn't gone away completely i have noticed a significant reduction in the pain"

"my only gripe with this mouse is its just i little small for me other than that for the price it is as good as other mice way more expensive"

"there is a small amount of travel before the button is engaged but this isn't enough to cause any noticeable issues during use"

"the only issue i have with this mouse is that technology nowadays is so advanced and yet this product is wired not wireless saying that people may prefer having it wired but if you don't want wires sticking out then i suggest you click on the link provided below"

"don't expect too much from this mouse it is good for browsing the web playing facebook games and it would make a good mouse for a young child because of its light weight 98 g but for heavy use on fast games you may be better off with one of tecknet's more expensive mice"

"the first thing i noticed was the weight of this mouse it is very sturdy well built and does not feel like a cheap product at all despite the price"

"the only problem i have is the size of it"

"in conclusion this is a brilliant little cheap mouse exactly as described and would make a great little spare or laptop mouse for everyday use"

"i run an apple mac mini and unfortunately the built in mouse settings on mac os don't allow me to program the side buttons to do anything and there doesn't seem to be any tools on tecknet website to provide this functionality"

"the only negative is that perhaps the wire is a little too long especially when using a laptop i'm not sure why you would need a wire so long but a minor gripe in the scheme of things"

"my clickpad has stopped working for the third time and i have not been able to get it to work again"

"i did receive this product for free but honestly this is a great value for money mouse you cannot go wrong with it!"

"coming to this mouse from a microsoft sculpt ergonomic mouse due to bluetooth inteference was an awful experience"

"have had no issues or complaints so far"

"i have severe osteoarthritis in the base of my right thumb i am right handed"

"it doesn't sound like much but its the difference between pretend life and pretend death"

"i’ve returned it straight away i haven’t even plugged it in"

"it's a little lightweight for my taste i don't mean it feels flimsy though"

"one thing that is quite distracting for me is the bright red light from the tracking mechanism"

"thanks coronavirus"

"my last technet mouse died a few months shy of two years use when the left clicker became highly temperamental and highlighting text became a chore"

"middle click died button has died"

"it also came with 2 years warranty which surprised me very much since you usually don't get any type of warranty for cheap products"

"there are no bells and whistles no software and no programmable buttons and the product description is somewhat misleading this is a wired mouse with a fixed resolution and although it does have a dpi switch and a battery low led they are redundant"

"no other issues buttons scroll wheel all work fine no issue with tracking i'll miss it"

"can't really fault them for that though and make no mistake for the price this mouse does everything that you want it to"

"one small quibble if anything is that the cord can be rather stiff when first used"

"aside from that there isn't really much to criticise except that sometimes it misses clicks"

"there's only so much that you can say about a mouse if you are in the market for one and you don't need it to have a ridiculous amount of buttons then this will do the job no problem!"

"can't really fault this at all"

"had many problems with my mouse s i have three that on my pc were either very sluggish or didn't work"

"the only quirk i found about this mouse is that while it has three extra buttons dpi switch back and forward they are not programmable which made the buttons somewhat pointless and i think the mouse only has 1 dpi setting?"

"however it has had intermittent problems being recognised by both a windows 10 pc and surface pro throughout"

"one small quibble if anything is that the cord can be rather stiff when first used"

"not only is the size of this mouse more like its made for small hands but the buttons feel clunky too"

"the only major drawback for me is that it does not work when setting up a systems uefi firmware but the same problems arise with many of the cheap china sourced mice"

"so i am unhappy that is too short a life span"

"the left and right click functions are exactly where they should be and there is the reassurance of an actual click this is loud enough to be heard but not loud enough to cause nuisance if used in an office"

"it appears to be quite fragile as it took just one drop onto the floor to stop functioning"

"the only negative is that perhaps the wire is a little too long especially when using a laptop i'm not sure why you would need a wire so long but a minor gripe in the scheme of things"

"uk which has all the pro points as well without the stiff cable issue"

"personally i could do without all the extra buttons but that's a minor irritation"

"i lose these things before they break"

"the hand naturally sits on the mouse with the thumb and little finger sitting comfortably in the moulded side recesses"

"i normally use a ir mouse which is fine but does drop signal sometimes and i have a bluetooth mouse for when im out and about and its terrible"

"this hasn't impacted any of my games tho mostly play shooters so i wouldn't worry just be aware"

"my point of failure was that the cable gave out nearest to the mouse"

"i find that nowadays it is too often deemed 'acceptable' for a seller to package their products in thinly lined paper parcels and leaving it to the product box to protect the item"

"tried it on my pc and no luck very faulty"

"a good cheap alternative to the mousing behemoths pushed out for ten times the price"

"same as the wireless in terms of design but not features has less dpi presets and in some games didnt allow me to press multiple buttons at a time which was a pain just a cheaper and nastier version of the wireless one which i have also"

"note: again this mouse isn't as suitable for the left handed since it fits better in the right hand tracking for basic browsing and slow activities this is very good"

"i got tired of software issues that windows 10 has and the missing cursor issues i was getting with fully charged wireless mouse"

"box contained a warranty card user manual"

"mouse click is slightly louder but acceptable and being wired sometimes makes me miss wireless mice but being plug n play at least the cursor doesn’t disappear"

"my only criticism would be that the middle click clicking down on the wheel is a little stiff"

"unfortunately i didn't spot the word 'compact' in the product description which i feel is slightly misleading"

"the only small downside that this mouse has is that it only supports 2 steps of dpi which could be a small problem for gamers but since this is not a gaming mouse i rate it 5 5 for everyday office professional use"

"terrible mouse for games"

"despite the unfortunate flaw of squealing when i try to scroll the traditional way using the scroll wheel this is a good cheap mouse"

"5m which makes it a little overkill for a laptop for me"

"the raised low friction bits on the underside are so minimal that it's nearly all in contact with a flat surface"

"the only slightly negative thing i can say about this is the size"

"slow mouse for gaming"

"compared to the one pictured that needed replacing this house is similar shape but sadly small"

"this mouse is very small i don’t have a big hand and still it’s uncomfortable to hold it’s just too small"

"the thumb area in inlayed with a perforated rubber grip which grips well and gives the mouse a less plastic feeling"

"mouse click is slightly louder but acceptable and being wired sometimes makes me miss wireless mice but being plug n play at least the cursor doesn’t disappear"

"i found that unless the surface was 100% flat the mouse became near unusable whereas products such as the wireless variant linked work consistently"

"the scroll wheel is responsive and and also has a rubber tire around it"

"a no nonsense plug and play mouse as no drivers needed to be found and downloaded"

"this mouse has worked great for about two months but recently the left click button has become faulty when attempting to 'hold' the button down for essential tasks"

"my cheap logitec took like 20 mins to work properly when first turning on pc"

"it's lightweight not too big for my hand and it worked find on my cheap mousemat that i managed to dig out of a drawer!"

"s some of the product descriptions is wrong this mouse is not wireless doesn't have a nano receiver and doesn't use batteries"

"compared to my previous logitech mouse which lasted 4 years this is a pitiful state of affairs"

"bought this as a cheap replacement for my back up media pc it's minimalistic clean look without any rgb or lights where the main reason for my choice its hard to find a good mouse with no lights these days lol and was pleasantly surprised at how nice it was to use even put it through is paces in couple"

"i haven't had any issues with it tracking on a desk surface but equally i haven't tested it on more taxing surfaces like gloss finishes glass etc"

"did not like the extra buttons which on the side which i keep hitting accidentally so will give this item away and go back to a normal mouse"

"the only major drawback for me is that it does not work when setting up a systems uefi firmware but the same problems arise with many of the cheap china sourced mice"

"it isn't a quiet mouse"

"so i am unhappy that is too short a life span"

"the dpi and side buttons were quite soft to press whereas the mouse buttons and scroll wheel were very tacky to click"

"even after i dropped it i have not seen a drop in performance"

"only niggle i have is that it very occasionally slips from my hand when i lift it but for a mouse in this price bracket i can't really complain it's still an absolute steal!"

"as a left hander with smallish hands but someone who still mouses right handedly i also find it more comfortable to hold than the m002"

"it's not a bulky mouse or very heavy so it can be transported around easily if needed"

"this is a small mouse and light weight i do not recommend it for people with larger hands i'm a size 9 in gloves and my hand engulfs it certainly near the top range of comfortable use dpi button is a little awkward if you intend to game due to small size of mouse as is the second inner thumb button which requires me to bend my thumb a good deal to use"

"i am so disappointed by this because this mouse is actually comfortable and worked perfectly at first i almost want to re order it but then i remember i am being driven batshitcrazy by it"

"can't complain that much for a cheap mouse i guess"

"easy to set up plug in and play straight away no software updates to deal with"

"overall i would describe the mouse as an ergonomic improvement on the generic mice packaged with desktops and found in workplaces schools"

"poor quality"

"the only thing that let down the mouse is the high speed tracking but i suppose this mouse isn't really made for gaming"

"the only major drawback for me is that it does not work when setting up a systems uefi firmware but the same problems arise with many of the cheap china sourced mice"

"this mouse is nothing revolutionary but for the price it offers a surprising amount of functionality"

"the controls are clearly explained in the manual"

"i find that nowadays it is too often deemed 'acceptable' for a seller to package their products in thinly lined paper parcels and leaving it to the product box to protect the item"

"i'm giving it two stars just in case this particular mouse happened to be faulty and this problem isn't widespread but i suppose for the cheap price this shouldn't be all that surprising"

"it also came with 2 years warranty which surprised me very much since you usually don't get any type of warranty for cheap products"

"i do like a bigger mouse so i find it's a little small compared to my desktop mouse"

"but for people looking for decent peripherals for cheap prices this could be a bargain for you if you have small hands"

"i found this mouse absolutely fine for general browsing and office use but during gaming the mouse feels as if it lacks any sort of weight your hand can easily end up moving it far too much unless you have the precision hands of a surgeon"

"whilst this is lighter and slightly smaller it does everyday stuff without too much difference to the mx1000"

"it also has two additional buttons on the left side so they’re just under your thumb assuming you’re right handed"

"i like not keep changing batteries"

"you can change the dpi with the small button on top behind the wheel"

"this is a small mouse and light weight i do not recommend it for people with larger hands i'm a size 9 in gloves and my hand engulfs it certainly near the top range of comfortable use dpi button is a little awkward if you intend to game due to small size of mouse as is the second inner thumb button which requires me to bend my thumb a good deal to use"

"i have used this on a mouse mat and a bare desktop and it works well on both surfaces"

"perfect replacement for old one which had died from old age"

"would cause hand cramps buttons are not flush to switches so it rattles only minor issue"

"can't really find fault with it to be honest and at such a low price i can't do anything other than heartily recommend this mouse"

"windows 10 detects it on boot so no drivers to install and all the buttons work as you would expect with the side buttons providing forward backward navigation in web pages"

"other users on my machines say they haven't noticed any difference finding both fine but the size of my hands plus less fine motor skills in my right hand may play into why i find this one more comfortable"

"it feels like it’s empty inside"

"it shows measurements in the description but the important measurement is missing i think "

"as a website deisgner i use my mouse rather extensively"

"lightweight and the cable has got good range"

"the mouse is very short and flat and you have to use it with your fingers spread instead of clasped around the mouse"

"my only gripe is that it is ever so slightly smaller than other "regular" sized mice but nonetheless it is comfortable to use"

"it does not have batteries to go flat at embarassing moments nor does it lag behind erratically while the wireless connection catches up in a jerky fashion"

"both the little finger and thumb sit comfortably in the moulded recesses on the sides of the mouse"

"after 3 years this mouse still works except the wheel no longer clicks"

"really odd behaviour there but i appreciate that's not really normal use"

"i have used a few similar mice before and was sceptical over the price of this particular model but as it's so cheap i thought it was worth a try"

"every couple of years i would spend more on a standard boring old two button and a scroll wheel mouse"

"compared to my previous logitech mouse which lasted 4 years this is a pitiful state of affairs"

"the mouse has 6 buttons: left click button right click button scroll wheel dpi switch button the dpi or dots per inch switch on your computer's mouse enables you to adjust the mouse's sensitivity to a faster or slower pointer speed forward button backward button the mouse on once connected is ready to go no driver installation needed"

"one thing i did have abit of trouble before i got used to it is the dpi switch being a little too close to the scroll wheel which means when i middle mouse click in the middle of a frantic teamfight i have middle mouse as melee sometimes i'd accidentally push the dpi button aswell"

"standard wired usb connection no batteries required"

"after a long use you don't feel your hand sore or numb"

"not sure if mine is defective or not but it intermittently just stops working"

"the most annoying thing is that it skips about across the screen and you suddenly find yourself clicking on something you didn't want to"

"the packaging was simple and no frills with the mouse coming with 2 years free warranty which is a big bonus for products at this price"

"my only complaint would be that it is way too small to fit comfortably in large hands so beware of that"

"of games and it he'd up well very pleased dose lack bells and whistles that come with higher end mouses like programmable buttons n the likes but for the price it's a solid buy"

"anyone with average size hands will be uncomfortable using this"

"just above this are two forward and backward buttons which feel natural to use"

"windows 10 detects it on boot so no drivers to install and all the buttons work as you would expect with the side buttons providing forward backward navigation in web pages"

"cable length is decent left and right click are a bit sensitive to the touch but you wont accidentally click something side buttons aren't programmable and are used to go back and forwards through pages and cant be clicked accidentally"

"the only quirk i found about this mouse is that while it has three extra buttons dpi switch back and forward they are not programmable which made the buttons somewhat pointless and i think the mouse only has 1 dpi setting?"

"great only niggle wheel makes clicking noise going upwards"

"i recieved this product today however as i was looking for a cheap yet durable mouse to use if needed for gaming etc"

"if you can deal or actually prefer smaller than average mice or know someone whose hand would wrap perfectly around it no puns intended my bet would be to try this gem out you won't be disappointed"

"the other minor problem was not being able to get the dpi switch button to do anything"

"however i do understand that's very subjective and in my opinion this doesn't at all detract from the 5 star rating it deserves"

"i see that i cannot submit without a star rating so will reluctantly have to give it one star but i would want to give it no stars!"

"everything works as it should it's well made and it has 18 months of warranty"

"5 5 nearly there as one might notice my attention was evidently drawn to this device's few downsides and not so much to its advantages the reason for that lies in what particularly distances it from a relative perfection"

"the mouse was quite responsive was quite well priced and worked well for gaming but two issues mean i won't by again"

"being wired means no hunting for replacement batteries though and consistent connection which are big plusses"

"yes it's wired but i have a bad habit of leaving the wireless mouse switched on after use which will drain the battery eventually"

"i've often bought mice at the cheaper end of market and treated them as disposable rather than buy expensive models which come with all sorts of functions i don't need i don't do any gaming etc "

"i'm left scratching my head as to why this costs less than £10"

"it feels quite nice under the hand but it's so light and plasticky that i wasn't convinced about its durability"

"had many problems with my mouse s i have three that on my pc were either very sluggish or didn't work"

"it may be because i have large hands but i repeatedly clicked these without intending and in some cases this led to loss of work on website forms in particular"

"one thing i did have abit of trouble before i got used to it is the dpi switch being a little too close to the scroll wheel which means when i middle mouse click in the middle of a frantic teamfight i have middle mouse as melee sometimes i'd accidentally push the dpi button aswell"

"i have been delighted so far the mouse is slightly smaller than i expected but nothing to worry about i soon got used to the feel of it in my hand as i'm using it"

"what stands out for me compared to my old mouse is the sound of the mouse wheel not silent but a lot quieter than my other mice"

"it has 6 buttons: the usual left and right click buttons and the scroll wheel on the top forward and back buttons on the left side useful for moving between web pages and finally the dpi switch just behind the scroll wheel"

"was using my laptop touchpad previously but i won’t be going back"

"my death adder recently broke"

"replaces a bluetooth mouse which just died"

"the scroll wheel is a tad too sensitive for me but i later found this to be a computer settings problem"

"slight niggle with microswitches being rather sensitive so it's too easy to inadvertantly right left click unintentionally with my heavy hand"

"it's a shame because the functionality is good and the price is good but the description is inaccurate"

"at this price though it's a real bargain and i wouldn't hesitate to recommend it"

"who knew mouse shopping would be so difficult"

"i found that unless the surface was 100% flat the mouse became near unusable whereas products such as the wireless variant linked work consistently"

"i don't mind either but it's really personal preference whether that's a positive or negative"

"can't really find fault with it to be honest and at such a low price i can't do anything other than heartily recommend this mouse"

"one thing i especially like is the flexibility of the cable often cables can be stiff and affect lighter smaller mice but in this case it's flexible generous in length but does not get in the way whilst in use"

"which as a web designer involves up to 12 hours a day online or photo editing & designing in photoshop"

"the only small downside that this mouse has is that it only supports 2 steps of dpi which could be a small problem for gamers but since this is not a gaming mouse i rate it 5 5 for everyday office professional use"

"i have not tried rebinding them but assume it can be done with 3rd party software"

"it has 6 buttons left right wheel page back page forward and a mysterious middle button "

"talking of which this mouse comes with no software of its own but it just worked as soon as plugged into a variety of windows 10 & windows 7 systems"

"not a full sized mouse!"

"i run an apple mac mini and unfortunately the built in mouse settings on mac os don't allow me to program the side buttons to do anything and there doesn't seem to be any tools on tecknet website to provide this functionality"

"the only improvement i would make to the design hence 4 instead of 5 stars is to make the mouse slightly larger then i would use this design with my desktop computer"

"it has enough weight to keep it planted down and doesnt feel cheap"

"i see that i cannot submit without a star rating so will reluctantly have to give it one star but i would want to give it no stars!"

"the only major drawback for me is that it does not work when setting up a systems uefi firmware but the same problems arise with many of the cheap china sourced mice"

"i used this mouse to replace my horrible one at work that came with the computer as i've already got tecknet mouses for my two computers at home"

"i've purchased rival mice in the past which have cost nearly 3 times as more but have felt 10 times as less comfortable"

"not used for gaming yet!"

"its a corded 6 button mouse so not much can be said"

"i prefer the feel of wireless as you don't then get the friction of the wire on your desk"

"used for cad work and general pointing at stuff no complaints not as big as i thought but that's my problem for not checking the dims"

"5 meters and hasn't been a hinderance"

"i have only one complaint and that is the mouse is difficult to lift clear of the surface which is often necessary when the mouse is operated in a small area"

"gotten used to it and it doesn't happen now"

"however those mouses' do not cost 7 pounds"

"the mouse wheel in particular is worth noting does not feel cheap or loose as it can do on other budget mice"

"same as the wireless in terms of design but not features has less dpi presets and in some games didnt allow me to press multiple buttons at a time which was a pain just a cheaper and nastier version of the wireless one which i have also"

"if there was any downside at all to the mouse it would be the weight but when you take into account everything else and the price it's hard to complain"

"material plastic with rubberised grip near thumb 3 plastic guide plates on base price around £7 here which is a very good price for the features and feel i've paid more and got less in the past"

"it does advertise as being suitable for use with either hand but it seems a little awkward with the left as it isn't symmetrical"

"couldn't ask for more"

"not a problem for me but my wife was completely unable to use it"

"the two side buttons that let you cycle through the pages that you have just visited are different to other mouses and good if you like to choose the best video for the job in hand or a good photo to reinforce your view about a certain fist and a vertical dry wall"

"i’ve been using this mouse now for a couple of weeks and really like it i must admit that for the price i paid and free carriage i wasn’t expecting much but how wrong i was"

"it has an ergonomic feel in your hand and i am beginning to enjoy the "navigate back" button which i didn't really need but is a cute extra"

"when i first opened the box i was initially concerned that it was too light"

"it has 6 buttons: main left and right buttons scroll wheel with push to click functionality forward and backwards buttons on the left side perfect for browser navigation dpi resolution change button close to the scroll wheel on the top that for a normal user may not be the most important thing but in some cases is really useful"

"used this for my laptop when i lost my other mouse"

"optical mouse so there's no more of the annoying dirt build up inside which you get with ball mice"

"i got tired of software issues that windows 10 has and the missing cursor issues i was getting with fully charged wireless mouse"

"it may have benefited from a slightly more drastic difference in dpi options"

"this mouse has a good ergonomic design but the clicking action makes the buttons feel a bit flimsy"

"the dpi button controls how sensitive a mouse is is on the top of the mouse when you press this button nothing appears on the screen to let you know anything has changed although i should say at this point no mouse i have used with this button has ever had anything come up on the screen but its worth mentioning as i had no idea anything had changed"

"for this price point i didn't expect much but i was pleasantly surprised it's a little on the small side for me so i don't think i could use it all the time although i do have quite large hands so probably won't be an issue for most"

"i realise that it i cannot blame it as its my fault it fell but all other mice i have used have been quite durable and have lasted years and a number of accidents despite being relatively cheap"

"it has enough weight to keep it planted down and doesnt feel cheap"

"not only that but it was cheap"

"my only criticism would be that the middle click clicking down on the wheel is a little stiff"

"i'm being picky by not giving it 5 stars"

"the only improvement i would make to the design hence 4 instead of 5 stars is to make the mouse slightly larger then i would use this design with my desktop computer"

"i'm really fussy i have quite a collection of mice in a sad little mouse graveyard but this one's a keeper"

"in my time using it i noticed no cursor jumps and there seems to be no noticeable mouse acceleration once windows "enhance pointer precision" option is turned off"

"with an 18 month warranty i don't see how you can go wrong buying this product"

"i have used a few similar mice before and was sceptical over the price of this particular model but as it's so cheap i thought it was worth a try"

"uk tecknet 2400dpi bluetooth wireless indicator dp b001iabwyo ref=sr_1_3s=electronics&ie=utf8&qid=1481649142&sr=1 3&keywords=tecknet+mouse+wireless"

"design and build: 4 5 being an entry level mouse i expected it to sport not much more than a finicky plastic build however i am fortunate enough to say that from "our very first test drive" i felt that contrarily to my belief this little thing was fairly solid and allowed for an excellent rubbery grip"

"i got tired of software issues that windows 10 has and the missing cursor issues i was getting with fully charged wireless mouse"

"this mouse is no exception"

"all around it is good so far i have no idea if it lasts long because i've only had it for a month but in that time it has suffered and survived many throws across the room at my once friends"

"i have big hands and i used to have bigger mouse also from tecknet but that one is for my wife so that's not the issue"

"left me high and dry over a week ago so under 6 weeks after i purchased it just stopped working no idea why what a let down"

"using the backward forward buttons in chrome and internet explorer worked well and responded quickly"

"i had put off buying a new mouse but the old one was getting more and more unreliable"

"the mouse is very short and flat and you have to use it with your fingers spread instead of clasped around the mouse"

"not used for gaming and it's wired there are no battery issues so havent rated for those"

"wiggling the cord makes it reconnect sometimes but usually it just suddenly says "usb device not recognized" and then there is no way for it to reconnect on its own you have to unplug it and plug it back in over and over and over whilst wiggling the cable this happens about 30 40 times each time i use it and it's driving me batshitcrazy"

"it also came with 2 years warranty which surprised me very much since you usually don't get any type of warranty for cheap products"

"also it feels awkward to move"

"it does not have batteries to go flat at embarassing moments nor does it lag behind erratically while the wireless connection catches up in a jerky fashion"

"i used this mouse on not only even surfaces but on uneven as well as i am using a laptop and it works on both perfectly there are no jumping of a cursor from one spot to the other or the cursor simply not reacting"

"as a website deisgner i use my mouse rather extensively"

"i feel like there are mouses at £15 with this quality so you can't go wrong really"

"i have been using it for work for the last week or so and the ergonomic shape with a groove for the thumb makes is really comfortable for day long use"

"otherwise it is just annoying"

"this mouse is very small i don’t have a big hand and still it’s uncomfortable to hold it’s just too small"

"one tiny detail which i did not like was one of the little glider pads on the bottom of the mouse was just slightly sticking out abit which made it feel like i was scraping my mouse pad"

"i'm really fussy i have quite a collection of mice in a sad little mouse graveyard but this one's a keeper"

"sizes the mouse is mid sized so its not too small and would suit home or travel usage"

"it's wired which generally means it's slightly lighter than a wireless mouse which suits some but not others and obviously restricts how you can use it a little but the 1"

"that's the worst computer mouse i ever used before it's heavy to carry in my hand used in my work as a designer feel pain in my hand after a few hours"

"i'm giving it two stars just in case this particular mouse happened to be faulty and this problem isn't widespread but i suppose for the cheap price this shouldn't be all that surprising"